3. A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from Ali ibn al-Hakam from Dawud ibn al-Nu’man from Mansur ibn Hazim who has said the following: “I once asked abu ‘Abd Allah , about a man who kisses a slave-girl or the woman. He (the Imam) said, ‘For an old man like you and I, it is not harmful but for a lustful young man it is negative and not safe; kissing is one of the two lustful activities (sexual intercourse and kissing).’ I (the narrator) then asked, ‘What do you say about a person like me who plays with his slave-girl?’ He (the Imam) asked, ‘Are you lustful, O abu Hazim, how is your desire for food?’ I replied, ‘If I am full it is harmful and if I am hungry then it makes me weak.’ He (the Imam) said, ‘So am I.’ He (the Imam) asked, ‘How are you and women?’ I said, ‘There is nothing.’ He (the Imam) said, ‘O abu Hazim, if I desire something to happen from me I make it happen.’”