وقد تكلم علينا أبو الحسن علي بن أحمد بن بشار في الغيبة وأجابه أبو جعفر محمد بن عبد الرحمن بن قبة الرازي وكان من كلام علي بن أحمد بن بشار علينا في ذلك أن قال في كتابه أقول: إن كل المبطلين أغنياء عن تثبيت إنية من يدعون له، وبه يتمسكون، وعليه يعكفون، ويعطفون لوجود أعيانهم وثبات إنياتهم وهؤلاء (يعني أصحابنا) فقراء إلى ما قد غني عنه كل مبطل سلف من تثبيت إنية من يدعون له وجوب الطاعة، فقد افتقروا إلى ما قد غني عنه سائر المبطلين واختلفوا بخاصة ازدادوا بها بطلانا وانحطوا بها عن سائر المبطلين، لان الزيادة من الباطل تحط والزيادة من الخير تعلو، والحمد لله رب العالمين. ثم قال: وأقول قولا تعلم فيه الزيادة على الانصاف منا وإن كان ذلك غير واجب علينا. أقول: إنه معلوم أنه ليس كل مدع ومدعى له بمحق، وإن كل سائل لمدع تصحيح دعواه بمنصف وهؤلاء القوم ادعوا أن لهم من قد صح عندهم أمره ووجب له على الناس الانقياد والتسليم وقد قدمنا أنه ليس كل مدع ومدعى له بواجب له التسليم، ونحن نسلم لهؤلاء القوم الدعوى ونقر على أنفسنا بالابطال - وإن كان ذلك في غاية المحال - بعد أن يوجدونا إنية المدعى له ولا نسألهم تثبيت الدعوى، فإن كان معلوما أن في هذا أكثر من الانصاف فقد وفينا بما قلنا، فان قدروا عليه فقد أبطلوا، و إن عجزوا عنه فقد وضح ما قلناه من زيادة عجزهم عن تثبيت ما يدعون على عجز كل مبطل عن تثبيت دعواه. وأنهم مختصون من كل نوع من الباطل بخاصة يزدادون بها انحطاطا عن المبطلين أجمعين لقدرة كل مبطل سلف على تثبيت دعواه إنية من يدعون له وعجز هؤلاء عما قدر عليه كل مبطل إلا ما يرجعون إليه من قولهم " إنه لابد ممن تجب به حجة الله عز وجل وأجل لابد من وجوده فضلا عن كونه، فأوجدونا الآنية من دون إيجاد الدعوى. ولقد خبرت عن أبي جعفر بن أبي غانم أنه قال لبعض من سأله فقال: بم تحاج الذين كنت تقول ويقولون: إنه لابد من شخص قائم من أهل هذا البيت؟ قال له: أقول لهم: هذا جعفر. فيا عجبا أيخصم الناس بمن ليس هو بمخصو وقد كان شيخ في هذه الناحية - رحمه الله - يقول: قد وسمت هؤلاء باللابدية أي أنه لا مرجع لهم ولا معتمد إلا إلى أنه لابد من أن يكون هذا الذي (ليس) في الكاينات، فوسمهم من أجل ذلك، و نحن نسميهم بها أي أنهم دون كل من له بد يعكف عليه إذ كان أهل الأصنام التي أحدها البد قد عكفوا على موجود وإن كان باطلا، وهم قد تعلقوا بعدم ليس وباطل محض وهم اللابدية حقا، أي لابد لهم يعكفون عليه إذ كان كل مطاع معبود، وقد وضح ما قلنا من اختصاصهم من كل نوع الباطل بخاصة يزدادون بها انحطاطا و الحمد لله. ثم قال: نختم الان هذا الكتاب بأن نقول: إنما نناظر ونخاطب من قد سبق منه الاجماع على أنه لابد من إمام قائم من أهل هذا البيت تجب به حجة الله ويسد به فقر الخلق وفاقتهم ومن لم يجتمع معنا على ذلك فقد خرج من النظر في كتابنا فضلا عن مطالبتنا به ونقول لكل من اجتمع معنا على هذا الأصل من الذي قدمنا في هذا الموضع: كنا وإياكم قد أجمعنا على أنه لا يخلو أحد من بيوت هذه الدار من سراج زاهر، فدخلنا الدار فلم نجد فيها إلا بيتا واحدا فقد وجب وصح أن في ذلك البيت سراجا. والحمد لله رب العالمين.
Abul Hasan bin Ahmad bin Bishar has issued statements against Occultation and Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Abdur Rahman ibn Qibba al-Razi has refuted them. Among Ali bin Ahmad bin Bishar’s statements regarding our belief in Occultation, is that he writes in his book: I say: That which all the people of falsehood claim, and they remain attached to it and are firm upon it, there are needless of proving his existence because he is himself present and his presence is proved. And these people, that is our companions (Shias) are in need of the fact that the people of falsehood are needless of; for whom I am compelled to prove the obligation of obedience. Thus they are needful of that from which all the people of falsehood are needless and they have differed in another particular matter due to which they moved closer to falsehood. And in this way they became more debased in comparison to other people of falsehood because excess of falsehood brings decadence and more truthfulness bestows exaltation and all praise is for Allah the Lord of the worlds. Then he said: And I will make such a statement in which you will find more justice from my side though it is not obligatory upon us. I say: It is absolutely clear and it is known that it is not necessary for every plaintiff and defendant to be on the right and all those who demand from the claimant to prove the veracity of his claim, are equitable. And this group has claimed that they are having a personality whose Imamate is proved to them clearly and people are obliged to submit to him and obey him. And we accept the claim of this group and agree that we are wrong. Although it is very much impossible. But on the condition that they show to us the existence and person of the one whose Imamate they claim. In that case we would not even insist on them to prove their claim. Thus if in our statement there is something more than justice, we have fulfilled our promise. Thus if they are able to fulfill our demand they would have disproved our statement and if they failed to do so, it would clearly prove what we have stated about it; that they are more helpless to prove their claim than all others who fail to prove their claims. And these people are distinguished among all kinds of false ones due to which they become the lowliest among the people of falsehood, because previously all the claimants of falsehood had the right to show the existence of that which they were claiming. While these people are helpless even in the matter in which the people of falsehood are competent. Except that we turn to what they say: The point is that through anything the Proof (Hujjat) of Allah, the Mighty and Sublime becomes obligatory, its existence is obligatory. Yes, its presence is more necessary than its mere existence. So in addition to making claim about it, you must also show us his existence. And I was informed regarding Abu Ja’far bin Abu Ghanim who said in reply to the question: Now would you prove your claim that the existence of a person from this family is necessary? He said to him (Abu Ja’far): I told them: It is Ja’far. What a strange thing! This person is trying to refute people through something from which he himself is not absolved. An elderly man lived in that area. He used to say: I call them ‘La badiya’. He means to imply that they do not have any refuge or a firm base, except that they may be forced to say that the existence of him is necessary although he does not exist at all. Thus he has named them as such. And we also called them same. These people are different from all groups who bow down before someone due to helplessness. Among the idol worshippers there is a group called Buddhist, they also bowed before something that had existence even though they were people of falsehood. While these people became related to a non-entity which is absolutely non-existent and is completely false; and they really deserve to be called La badiya. That is they are helpless to bow before it, because anyone that is obeyed is in fact a deity. In this way our stand becomes clear that these people are peculiar with a particular type of falsehood from all the types. Due to which they are baser. Praise be to Allah. Then he says: We end the book on the statement that: Our debate is with one who before this was in agreement with us that it is necessary that there should be an Imam from this family (Ahlul Bayt) through whom the Proof of Allah becomes obligatory on us and through whom the poverty and hunger of the people ends and those who are not in agreement with us in this matter are absolved from seeing our book even though we may demand him. And we say to all those who are in agreement with us regarding this matter and who before us are inclined to reach an agreement on the point that not a room of any house is without it in which there is light. Then we entered that house and except for one room we did not find any other. On the basis of this, it became necessary and it was proved that there was a lamp in that house. And praise be to Allah the Lord of the worlds.