H 70 - Muhammad bin Ahmad bin Yahya Ashari has narrated from Abdullah bin Muhammad from Khashshab from Abu Dawood that he said: I and Uyyana, the cane-seller, were in the company of Ali bin Abi Hamza Bataini, chief of Waqifiya. I heard him say: Abu Ibrahim said to me: O Ali Ibn Abi Hamza, you and your companions are like donkeys (fools). Uyyana asked me: Did you hear that? I replied: Yes, by Allah, I heard it. Uyyana said: No, By God, I will never go to him as long as I am alive.

H 71 - Ibn Uqda narrated from Ali bin Hasan bin Faddal from Muhammad bin Umar bin Yazid and Ali bin Asbat, all together have said: Uthman bin Isa said to me in a report: Ziyad Qandi and Ibn Muskan said to me: We were in the company of Abu Ibrahim when the Imam said: At this moment, the best of the folk of the earth is with you. Then Abu Hasan Ridha , who was yet a child, came there. We said: The best of the folks of the earth? After that Abul Hasan Ridha came near. Imam Musa Kadhim hugged and kissed him and said: Dear son, do you know what these two said? He replied: Yes, my master. They have doubt about me. Ali bin Asbat said[a]: I mentioned this tradition to Hasan bin Mahbub and he also said: The tradition is incomplete. It is not as such; on the contrary, it is that: Ali bin Raab said to me: Abu Ibrahim said to those two persons: If you deny his right or are dishonest with him, the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people would be on you. O Ziyad, you and your companions would never earn respect. After that Ali Raab said: I met Ziyad Qandi and said: I have received information that Abu Ibrahim said this and that to you? Ziyad replied: I think you have lost your mind. Then he went away and avoided me after that. I also never spoke with him or pursued him. Hasan bin Mahbub said: We were always waiting for the curse of Imam to be proved true about Ziyad; till during the time of Imam Ridha Ziyad died an apostate.

H 72 - Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Yahya has narrated from his father from Muhammad bin Hasan bin Abil Khattab from Safwan bin Yahya that he said: Ibrahim bin Yahya bin Abi Balad said: Imam Ridha said: What did Hamza bin Bazi, the unfortunate one do? I replied: He has also come. Imam said: He thinks that my father is alive, they [Hamza and his associates] are in doubt today and tomorrow they would not die, except as heretics. Safwan says: I said to myself: I knew that they are among doubters, but how can they die disbelievers and heretics? Not much time passed when I received information that one of them said at the time of his death: I am a disbeliever in my Lord who wants me to die. Safwan says: I said: This testifies for that same tradition [of the Imam].

H 73 - Abu Ali Muhammad bin Himam has narrated from Ali bin Rabah that he said: I asked Qasim bin Ismail Qarshi, who was a Mamtur : What did you hear from Muhammad bin Abu Hamza? He replied: Only one tradition. But after that a large number traditions were issued by him and he narrated them all from Muhammad bin Abi Hamza. Ibn Rabah also says: I asked Qasim: How many traditions have you heard from Hannan? He replied: Four or five. But later on a large number of traditions were issued by Qasim, which he narrated from Hannan.

H 74 - Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Isa has narrated from Saad bin Saad from Ahmad bin Umar from Imam Ali Ridha that he said with regard to Ibn Abi Hamza: Is he not one who narrated that the head of Mahdi was presented as a gift to Isa bin Musa, who is among the associates of Sufyani? He also said: Abu Ibrahim would return after eight months. Are the supporters of Abu Hamza not aware of his falsehood?

H 75 - Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Yahya narrated from some of our scholars from Muhammad bin Isa bin Ubaid from Muhammad bin Sinan that he said: Ali bin Abu Hamza was mentioned before Imam Ridha . Imam cursed him and said: Ali bin Abi Hamza wants that Almighty Allah should not be worshipped in the heavens and the earth, but Almighty Allah wants to perfect the effulgence of His guidance, even if the accursed polytheists are displeased. I asked: Polytheists? He replied: Yes, by Allah, it is true and he will be degraded. This point is mentioned in the Book of Allah. Then he said: They wanted to blow out the effulgence of God. This verse is about him and people like him who wished to put out the light of God.